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Texting while driving is illegal here in CA but the penalties are light, the law seldom enforced and the practice still rampant. These folks are a danger to themselves and other drivers, but most of all to us. Not a day goes by when I don't have to dodge, blast my horn, or brake hard because of one of these drivers.

These are some signs I look for to tell if a driver is texting, scrolling their Facebook or messing with some other device. Here are some of mine. Interestingly, many are the same as "how to spot a drunk driver." If you have others, please share!
  1. Light turns green, everyone goes, except that one car.
  2. Unable to keep a consistent speed when traffic is moving freely. Brakes, slows and accelerates for no apparent reasons.
  3. Driving way too slowly, but unable to stay in their lane, swaying from one side to another.
  4. Driving too fast, but unable to stay in their lane, swaying from one side to another.
  5. The accidental drift into another lane that they try to pass off as intentional. Halfway across the lane, they signal and pull into the other.
  6. Never uses turn signals or, at best, uses them far too late when they're between lanes or halfway through a turn. (Hell, few drivers use them at all at this point.)
  7. Driving with chin on chest. Usually means phone is in lap.
  8. At night: driver's face lit from beneath. Duh.
  9. Out of state plates. Some don't know that CA we have a texting law. The people of CA just don't seem to care.
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ericalm wrote:
  1. Out of state plates. Some don't know that CA we have a texting law. The people of CA just don't seem to care.
AZ has no-texting laws too. Not sure how aggressively they're enforced yet. Keep an eye out for the "iPad on the steering wheel". That's the best one I've seen yet.
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Wednesday is "National Don't Text and Drive" day.

http://stoptextsstopwrecks.org/#home

http://www.distraction.gov/

The #1 indicator for me is the car that stops short at a red light and then creeps, creeps, creeps up to the vehicle or white line (if head of line) in front of it. Absolutely watch your rear view mirrors if the vehicle behind you stops short and have an escape route already planned. Stop to the left or right of the bumper of the vehicle in front of you.

Getting hit from the rear used to be a very low occurrence crash (<1%). It has steadily increased to over 3% of crashes. Have a plan.
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Maine has distracted driver laws, too, but they have never been enforced in any way that I have witnessed. And if so, it doesn't amount to more than a wrist slap, no matter how stern the commercials are.

Add to the list:

- what I like to call "the broken neck". Head tilted to an absurd angle because they are holding a phone between shoulder and ear. Not seen as often as phones get smaller and harder to hold that way.

- wild gesturing. Often these are the bluetooth crowd, but still not paying as much attention to the road as they are to chewing out their assistant.

I used to ride the bus back and forth to everywhere, and since public transportation in Maine is abysmal, I spent a lot of time waiting around. I would amuse myself by counting the number of cell phones in use in passing traffic...until I got depressed that nearly every one, despite the law, was doing it. What are you supposed to do? Report them? Ha! That will result in nothing, just like reporting my junkie pot-head neighbors. If a law isn't enforced, what's the point of having it?
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persephonelily wrote:If a law isn't enforced, what's the point of having it?
I can't think of a rea$on unle$$ there were $ome rea$on to have a law that allowed you to add on offen$e$ once $omething bad enough happened that the police were forced to do $omething about it...
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Quo Vadimus wrote: I can't think of a rea$on unle$$ there were $ome rea$on to have a law that allowed you to add on offen$e$ once $omething bad enough happened that the police were forced to do $omething about it...
Very subtile. :lol:
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You forgot:

10. Light turns red and every car stops but one.

Saw one do that yesterday.
Also stop signs don't even mean slow down anymore.
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Tazio wrote:You forgot:

10. Light turns red and every car stops but one.

Saw one do that yesterday.
Also stop signs don't even mean slow down anymore.
Thats the scariest one!

I agree, texting/driving=evil
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11. Sports a bumper sticker that states, "I brake for...like...whatever"
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ericalm wrote:Texting while driving is illegal here in CA but the penalties are light, the law seldom enforced and the practice still rampant. These folks are a danger to themselves and other drivers, but most of all to us. Not a day goes by when I don't have to dodge, blast my horn, or brake hard because of one of these drivers.

These are some signs I look for to tell if a driver is texting, scrolling their Facebook or messing with some other device. Here are some of mine. Interestingly, many are the same as "how to spot a drunk driver." If you have others, please share!
  1. Light turns green, everyone goes, except that one car.
  2. Unable to keep a consistent speed when traffic is moving freely. Brakes, slows and accelerates for no apparent reasons.
  3. Driving way too slowly, but unable to stay in their lane, swaying from one side to another.
  4. Driving too fast, but unable to stay in their lane, swaying from one side to another.
  5. The accidental drift into another lane that they try to pass off as intentional. Halfway across the lane, they signal and pull into the other.
  6. Never uses turn signals or, at best, uses them far too late when they're between lanes or halfway through a turn. (Hell, few drivers use them at all at this point.)
  7. Driving with chin on chest. Usually means phone is in lap.
  8. At night: driver's face lit from beneath. Duh.
  9. Out of state plates. Some don't know that CA we have a texting law. The people of CA just don't seem to care.
10. Spidey senses tingle. (Not kidding at all)
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Head keeps bobbing up and down, or it stays very still for most of the time, then does random look-arounds.

I mostly use they cars mirrors to see where the driver is focused, if it isn't on the road, i usually try to get some distance.
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Woman today was doing ALL of these:
ericalm wrote:
  1. Light turns green, everyone goes, except that one car.
  2. Unable to keep a consistent speed when traffic is moving freely. Brakes, slows and accelerates for no apparent reasons.
  3. Driving way too slowly, but unable to stay in their lane, swaying from one side to another.
  4. Driving too fast, but unable to stay in their lane, swaying from one side to another.
  5. The accidental drift into another lane that they try to pass off as intentional. Halfway across the lane, they signal and pull into the other.
  6. Driving with chin on chest. Usually means phone is in lap.
BUT… driving with her left blinker on the whole time. So she's signaling left, then drifts right, does the "oh, I meant to do that" lane change into the right lane, stops behind a light, drives really slowly, then drives too fast, the blinker still going the whole damn time.

I saw MANY people texting while driving today, but this woman, ugh.

Thing is, the woman who swerved into my lane without looking and almost hit me as I swerved away and hit my horn? Not texting. She just didn't look. Possibly an otherwise decent human, who almost clipped me because she was in a hurry. Sigh… It's bad enough out there without the texters.
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Texting is just the symptom we dont treat driving as the dangerous act it is. My guess is the most dangerous thing 85% people do daily. Those drivers would be reading, makeup on and on. 20 yrs driving a trk I have seen it all well till the next mile at least.
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my constant 'joke' is that they are:

"smoking while surfing the net, texting, watching a DVD and eating a cheeseburger and yelling at their kids".

I just LOVE using the International horn on those people. as soon as I see them begin to text again, I give a quick beep again.

Can't do it too much as it is an annoyance to other drivers, but it gets the point across.
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One other I've used is the constant "dabbing" the brakes in traffic cos they don't test themselves to see the traffic stop
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Good post! Some very consistent tips with what we teach in our Smith System Defensive Driving sessions at work. Staying alert, aware and pre-evaluation of potential risky situations can go a long way towards keeping us safe.

Some time back I noticed a driver in front of me that I thought was DUI. The influence turned out to be a text.

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I really wish I knew what they were texting / calling about. Must be so damn important to nearly take me out.

Of course, Virginia is always the last to follow trends. Still no law about cellphone or texting while driving. I have no idea what the hold-up is, it's not like certain individuals or corporations are profitting from it. I think we were one of the last states to get smoking out of bars and restaurants.
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I've noticed something else kind of unexpected from the texters. One stretch of my commute is about 5 miles on a road that is slightly curvy, going about 45, and not too crowded in the evenings. When I see someone using their phone, I try to distance myself from them either by speeding up to pass or slowing down to create more room. But a good chunk of the time (maybe 1/3 of the time?) the person on the phone seems to slow up or speed down with me, so I can't ever really get away. I don't even know if they know they're doing it - my theory is that they're devoting most of their attention to the phone and not much to the speedometer, so maybe as long as they keep someone else (me, possibly the only other person nearby) in their sight, they figure they're probably going the right speed.
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What I do not get is what is it they are texting that they cannot call in via hands free? I can understand in a meeting someone needs to reach someone. It is urgent, call would be disruptive, etc. But in a car? Who invented texting any way?
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persephonelily wrote:If a law isn't enforced, what's the point of having it?
How do you enforce such a law? Here in IN text is illegal, sending email is legal. :?

Politicians want to "do something" to raise awareness and prove their worth. They know it's unenforceable, so do cops, so do teenagers. But, hey, we did SOMETHING.
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BootScootin'FireFighter wrote:I really wish I knew what they were texting / calling about. Must be so damn important to nearly take me out.

Of course, Virginia is always the last to follow trends. Still no law about cellphone or texting while driving. I have no idea what the hold-up is, it's not like certain individuals or corporations are profitting from it. I think we were one of the last states to get smoking out of bars and restaurants.
The hold up isn't profit, it's reason. The laws are pointless. Seeing the deadly consequences might help...
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JettaKnight wrote:
persephonelily wrote:If a law isn't enforced, what's the point of having it?
How do you enforce such a law? Here in IN text is illegal, sending email is legal. :?

Politicians want to "do something" to raise awareness and prove their worth. They know it's unenforceable, so do cops, so do teenagers. But, hey, we did SOMETHING.
By actually pulling over people who are doing it, by having more of a police presence in "trouble areas" (and I know for a fact that there are plenty of places where it's done almost constantly), and by actually following through with the fines/tickets/suspensions. People are only going to follow a law if they believe it is just, or if they fear the results of getting caught. There's nothing to fear in this case, because people do it right in front of police officers and get away with it. Much like all the other laws with ridiculously mild punishments.
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persephonelily wrote:
JettaKnight wrote:
persephonelily wrote:If a law isn't enforced, what's the point of having it?
How do you enforce such a law? Here in IN text is illegal, sending email is legal. :?

Politicians want to "do something" to raise awareness and prove their worth. They know it's unenforceable, so do cops, so do teenagers. But, hey, we did SOMETHING.
By actually pulling over people who are doing it, by having more of a police presence in "trouble areas" (and I know for a fact that there are plenty of places where it's done almost constantly), and by actually following through with the fines/tickets/suspensions. People are only going to follow a law if they believe it is just, or if they fear the results of getting caught. There's nothing to fear in this case, because people do it right in front of police officers and get away with it. Much like all the other laws with ridiculously mild punishments.
How do you determine who's texting and who's do something legal like using Google Maps? The only way is to pull someone over them fool with there phone to check the logs.

And how do you intend to pay for more enforcement? Cops don't work for free. Drunk Driving enforcement is paid to officers working overtime with designated funds. Is the general public willing to have taxes raised or do without something else to pay for this?

I'll remain vigilant and give text'ers the wrath of my horn.
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JettaKnight wrote: How do you determine who's texting and who's do something legal like using Google Maps? The only way is to pull someone over them fool with there phone to check the logs.
I can't speak to other jurisdictions, but here in Portland, it's illegal to use a cellphone while driving period. So it doesn't matter what you're using it for- google maps, texting, looking at your calendar- it's all considered illegal.
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anthony wrote:
JettaKnight wrote: How do you determine who's texting and who's do something legal like using Google Maps? The only way is to pull someone over them fool with there phone to check the logs.
I can't speak to other jurisdictions, but here in Portland, it's illegal to use a cellphone while driving period. So it doesn't matter what you're using it for- google maps, texting, looking at your calendar- it's all considered illegal.
And that's the way it should be. Maybe. Here in IN, texting is bad, but email or Faceborg is OK.

It's the eternal struggle of modernity vs. common sense. With cars that do everything for you and are now quite safe it's not too much of a risk to stair at a phone, smoke, eat, apply make all while driving.

For us, we see what's going on and better understand the dangers. Maybe everyone should ride a few miles on a bike.

Hey, anyone remember the old days where you use to have to be responsible for turning on your head lights? You know, before the rise of automation?
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JettaKnight wrote:Hey, anyone remember the old days where you use to have to be responsible for turning on your head lights? You know, before the rise of automation?
Those drive me nuts. If people would leave the switch in the "Auto" position, it could work. Most of the time, they're running around after dusk with their daytime running lamps (DRLs) on and think their headlights are on.

I have an '87 Audi GT with the digital dash. It came with an ambient light sensor that would determine if the lights should be on and would chime and flash a warning light on the dash for the first 300ft of movement as a reminder to turn the lights on. Maybe that feature needs to come back, abeit with a 20 mile movement allowance...
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anthony wrote:
JettaKnight wrote: How do you determine who's texting and who's do something legal like using Google Maps? The only way is to pull someone over them fool with there phone to check the logs.
I can't speak to other jurisdictions, but here in Portland, it's illegal to use a cellphone while driving period. So it doesn't matter what you're using it for- google maps, texting, looking at your calendar- it's all considered illegal.
Here in Maine it's the same; you are not supposed to be doing anything on your phone while driving. I'd happily see my tax money pay for more law enforcement officers (I'm a CJ graduate), as opposed to the massages and convicted felon welfare checks that it is currently funding.

Spotted a texter today. First noticed him because he was leaving a huge gap between himself and me (which I appreciated at first). Then, once it split into 2 lanes, he started drifting into mine multiple times. I dropped back because I didn't want to be surprised by his bumper in my teeth, and proceeded to watch him almost sideswipe a Nissan and a Beemer. Fun.
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easy wrote:Texting is just the symptom we dont treat driving as the dangerous act it is. My guess is the most dangerous thing 85% people do daily. Those drivers would be reading, makeup on and on. 20 yrs driving a trk I have seen it all well till the next mile at least.
I think there are a lot of reasons for this and one, unfortunately, is how safe, smooth and quiet cars are these days. The sense of isolation from the environment is greater than in previous decades.The psychological effect is that driving is a solitary experience, not something done in coordination with everyone else on the roads. I think this also contributes to the attitudes people have about their "right" to use public roads versus the rights of others, overall impatience, and that sense that all other vehicles are an inconvenience.

Many new features such as collision sensors and proximity alerts exacerbate this. They're making driving into a much more passive activity, putting more of the act of paying attention on the car.

The problem is, almost all of these features are good for drivers and car companies. Cars should be quieter, safer, have airbags and any other features to help reduce crashes and fatalities. Overall, many of these things benefit most of us, even if their unintended side effects are potentially dangerous.

In particular, pairing driving with using a phone or other handheld device. And I'll admit it—I get distracted by my iPod when driving, and will glance at it to skip songs. At one point, my (wise) wife told me I should drive like I want everyone to when I'm riding a scooter. Now I leave it alone or use a feature that lets me swipe the screen without looking at it. As I recently learned, the average text takes about 4.7 seconds. At 55mph, that's about 100 yards traveled. Drivers are not watching the road and glancing at their devices. They're watching their devices and glancing at the road.

What's worse is the integration of Facebook and various digital services in cars. Even when operated by voice, there's a display and a distraction. As with hands-free sets, research shows it's not the object that's distracting, it's the call and conversation. With texting it's the object. With these integrated systems, likely both. I'm sure auto companies will market these features as being safer than texting or using your phone. Bah.

I freakin' love my technology. I'm attached to it and pretty much using some network device every waking hour that I'm not on a scooter. But I'm really damn tired of dodging cars every day.

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ericalm wrote:I think there are a lot of reasons for this and one, unfortunately, is how safe, smooth and quiet cars are these days.
I think this is also a factor in other kinds of "bad driving". With smooth and quiet rides, automatic transmission, powerful engines, and highly effective braking, drivers don't have a sense of the work (in the physics sense) involved in accelerating/decelerating a car. They just lower their foot a little more, and it goes faster; switch pedals and it stops. So they think nothing of keeping their foot on the gas as they pull onto an expressway off-ramp, then braking hard when they reach the stop sign, then accelerating rapidly when traffic clears. This burns extra gas, puts extra wear on the brake pads, and is less safe than taking the foot off the gas, coasting to a stop, then gently pulling forward... which might add all of 10 seconds to their trip.
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NBC report . . distracted cops.
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