Bad stators, who else?

Leeroy Jenkins · Post by **Leeroy Jenkins** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:44 pm

Just got it back, have not had a chance to ride it.

Fix = Moving some wires and a vacuum line.

Leeroy Jenkins · Post by **Leeroy Jenkins** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:36 pm

Needs to go back to the shop.

Moving the vac line and wires only fixed for about 5 minutes.

Post by **ericalm** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:54 pm

Leeroy Jenkins wrote:Needs to go back to the shop.

Moving the vac line and wires only fixed for about 5 minutes.

That sucks. Any place in the area where you might be able to get a second opinion?

Keys · Post by **Keys** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:38 am

...again, if the wire movement fixed it for a brief time, someone needs to check the wires themselves for continuity. If there is a break of the wire itself inside the insulation, you cannot detect it without a continuity tester. Or, in my case, a couple months of monkeying around with it.

When the wire was moved, it's very possible it put the two broken ends back in contact with each other, but when you hit a bump, they once again separated. Have whoever does the work do a continuity test of all critical wiring.

--Keys

pocphil · Post by **pocphil** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:19 pm

Runs for a few minutes then quits is usually the symptom of a pinched vacuum line or pinched fuel line. It could also be a fautly fuel tap.

If you are not 100% willing to sacrifice your warranty do NOT start "troubleshooting" on your own. Disconnecting this and that until it's good and buggered up does not equal "troubleshooting". If you're using your warranty DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING. If you have a shop doing the work for you please have the common courtesy to leave the problem in the state it was when it presented itself. This goes a long way to helping the technician discover why the failure occurred in the first place.

Bringing me in a bike that has been "worked on" by someone else usually does me way more harm than good.

Keys · Post by **Keys** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:26 am

Interesting. It was my local dealer (who, like you, seems to think that after more than 35 years experience I know absolutely NOTHING about scooters) who did the most damage to mine while it was in his knowledgeable care for two weeks. When he said he was going to start drilling holes in the airbox, etc, I took it home. The issues were two-fold. A plugged evaporative cannister and broken wiring inside the insulation. He was not even in the same galaxy.

I was NOT suggesting Leeroy troubleshoot the issues himself. If you read the last line it says to suggest WHOMEVER does the work that he check the continuity. I'm basing my advice on experience...not theory.

I don't know Phil...never met him. I have been a supporter of his since back in the day when I had a Bajaj, but several times on this board he has basically come out and stated I'm an idiot and if you listen to me you're a fool. If this is the way I will continue to be treated on this board when I am simply trying to help other people out, I have no problem leaving...

--Keys

Post by **ericalm** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:40 am

Keys wrote:I don't know Phil...never met him. I have been a supporter of his since back in the day when I had a Bajaj, but several times on this board he has basically come out and stated I'm an idiot and if you listen to me you're a fool. If this is the way I will continue to be treated on this board when I am simply trying to help other people out, I have no problem leaving...

Keys, that's not at all the impression I got from Phil's comments. Reading it, I didn't think any of it was directed at you. Most of the people on this board don't have your experience. If the scoot is under warranty—as almost all Buddys still are—a dealer may be the best bet for diagnosing what may be a complex problem.

That said, we've also learned that not all dealers come with Phil's knowledge and experience. There have been a few (rare) reports of scoots with recurring problems that dealers haven't been able to properly diagnose and repair, even after several trips.

Everyone needs to use their best judgment to find decide who can best deal with a problem. The warranty is their for a reason—use it. Be aware that any damage caused in the course of a DIY repair job will not be covered by the warranty. That said, if your dealer fails to properly fix your scooter after several attempts or shows signs of gross incompetence, please let Genuine know. I can't guarantee action on their part, but it's really up to the owner community to alert them to this kind of a problem.

Leeroy Jenkins · Post by **Leeroy Jenkins** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:56 pm

Coil wire came loose.

Im back on the road!

I will continue troubleshoot my bike to the extent of my knowledge and abilities, and I encourage others to do the same.

Leeroy Jenkins · Post by **Leeroy Jenkins** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:35 pm

After 50ish miles of running great, now its back-firing and shutting itself off while I ride.

Back to the dealer.

Post by **ericalm** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:59 pm

Leeroy Jenkins wrote:After 50ish miles of running great, now its back-firing and shutting itself off while I ride.

Back to the dealer.

Holy crap. Is there another Genuine dealer in your area? I really think it's times to get a second opinion, contact Genuine, or let your dealer know that if they're unable to fix the scooter they should replace it under warranty.
Unless you're the victim of the most unlikely chain of parts failures ever, it sounds like either some serious incompetence going on over there or that the problem with your scoot is far above and beyond the abilities of trained and knowledgeable professionals to fix. I'm thinking it's not the latter.

Leeroy Jenkins · Post by **Leeroy Jenkins** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:07 pm

"you're the victim of the most unlikely chain of parts failures"

IMHO, I really think that is the case. It all appears to be different problems all stacked up on top of each other.

Of course I am dissapointed is this particular bike, but as for my dealer:

They have been great with the purchase, parts and service. I have full confidence in them. I have owned alotta bikes, and East Side Scooters has been one of the best motorcycle dealer/service relationships I have ever had. At this point I see no reason to deal directly with Genuine. I am completely satisfied with my dealer. If at any point I felt the dealer did anything wrong, I would give them the chance to fix and/or explain it before I went to genuine.

FYI:
Out of all the 60ish buddies my dealer sold this year, I by far have the worst problems.

All of this happened with in a 150ish mile window. Current mileage 3250

1. Dies @ stoplights and wont idle. Bad stator, fixed. No problems for a few days. (80ish miles)
2. No power under load. Moved vacuum line. Good for 10 minutes.
3. No power under load #2. Fixed loose coil wire. No problems for 50ish miles.
4. Currently Back-fires and dies.

Post by **ericalm** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:16 pm

Good to know you're good with the dealer. Unfortunate that you're the victim of Murphy's Law as it applies to Buddys.

Especially when all you needed was a new spark plug!

Post by **ericalm** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:30 pm

ericalm wrote:Unless you're the victim of the most unlikely chain of parts failures ever, it sounds like either some serious incompetence going on over there or that the problem with your scoot is far above and beyond the abilities of trained and knowledgeable professionals to fix. I'm thinking it's not the latter.

...and that's why we shouldn't jump to conclusions about such things. Sometimes, it really is an unlikely chain of events.

Ha.

Keys · Post by **Keys** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:34 am

Leeroy Jenkins wrote: 1. Dies @ stoplights and wont idle. Bad stator, fixed. No problems for a few days. (80ish miles)
2. No power under load. Moved vacuum line. Good for 10 minutes.
3. No power under load #2. Fixed loose coil wire. No problems for 50ish miles.
4. Currently Back-fires and dies.

Those were EXACTLY my symtoms. Good luck, sir. I hope it's on the road soon. The guys at Scoot Over in Tucson (520) 323-9090 had a Buddy in there with the same symtoms. Maybe your people could call their people and compare notes...

--Keys

Leeroy Jenkins · Post by **Leeroy Jenkins** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:48 pm

waiting on new "wiring loom"

iinigma7 · Post by **iinigma7** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:15 pm

I feel your pain man. My '07 Italia (680 miles) had very similar symptoms. It started stalling out and backfiring when I stopped, and then it wouldn't start altogether. The closest dealer is almost 2 hrs away, so I took it to a place here in town that works on alot of other scooters. They had it for a month and were confident that their tweaks to the carb had worked out the problem. They also found a loose coil on #10. I picked it up today and it ran awesome for about 20 minutes all the way back to where I work, but when I saddled up to go home it started doing the EXACT SAME THING!

I'm really frustrated. It looks like I'll have to trailer it two hours to the dealer where I got it.

I hope I can get this issue resolved...everyone else seems to have such good experiences with their Buddy (generally speaking). It would be a shame if I got a lemon.

Leeroy Jenkins · Post by **Leeroy Jenkins** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:40 pm

Picked it up from the dealer toady.

Just in time for: