hey madtolive!

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:45 am

is this your seafoam green buddy???

http://www.peacescooter.com/raffles/

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:07 pm

yes it is ines. although she is not so much "seafoam green" as she is "zombie blood." just, you know, for clarification purposes. lol.

i emailed crystal some pics of our scoots, and she posted them in her gallery. http://scooterseatcovers.com/gallery.html

jeje.

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:11 pm

oops i forgot it was zombie blood

Best color around! second to a Red Buddy... aka human blood?

robtaylor · Post by **robtaylor** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:49 pm

congrats to ines

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:54 pm

human blood is supposed to be blue inside your body...i've always wondered if thats actually true...or if it's just one of those things little kids believe that i never forgot. hmm.....

robonz, ines says thanks. and blushes. ja!

jrsjr · Post by **jrsjr** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:55 pm

madtolive wrote: yes it is ines. although she is not so much "seafoam green" as she is "zombie blood." just, you know, for clarification purposes.

KRUSTYburger · Post by **KRUSTYburger** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:01 pm

Yes, the blood in your arteries is blue, but after it goes through your heart into veins it is reddish-purple from the oxygen. When it comes out it turns bright red since it's exposed to LOTS of oxygen... at least that's what I remember from anatomy.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:08 pm

that is awesome. ah, the wonders of the human body...

thank you krusty, for that informative and enlightening bit. now i feel less silly for thinking like a third grader. third graders everythwere have been validated!

Howardr · Post by **Howardr** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:22 pm

Not to disappoint you, but, as a nurse who's drawn a lot of venous and arterial blood, it's all various shades of red. Arterial blood a much brighter red. Venous blood on someone who isn't breathing well can be almost black.

BTW, is that raffle over with? I'd love to win that beautiful scooter.

Howard

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:40 pm

I think the raffel was for a seat cover, not mad's scoot. I would definately enter a raffel for zombie blood tho!

BadBrains · Post by **BadBrains** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:46 pm

Is it always red when it leaves your body because it oxidizes when it hits the air? Science? Anybody?

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:49 pm

[edit] Hemoglobin

A bleeding finger: note the distinctive red color.Hemoglobin is the principal determinant of the color of blood in vertebrates. Each molecule has four heme groups, and their interaction with various molecules alters the exact color. In vertebrates and other hemoglobin-using creatures, arterial blood and capillary blood are bright red as oxygen imparts a strong red color to the heme group. Deoxygenated blood is a darker shade of red; this is present in veins, and can be seen during blood donation and when venous blood samples are taken. Blood in carbon monoxide poisoning is bright red, because carbon monoxide causes the formation of carboxyhemoglobin. In cyanide poisoning, the body cannot utilize oxygen, so the venous blood remains oxygenated, increasing the redness. While hemoglobin containing blood is never blue, there are several conditions and diseases where the color of the heme groups make the skin appear blue. If the heme is oxidized, methemoglobin, which is more brownish and cannot transport oxygen, is formed. In the rare condition sulfhemoglobinemia, arterial hemoglobin is partially oxygenated, and appears dark-red with a bluish hue (cyanosis).

Veins in the skin appear blue for a variety of reasons only weakly dependent on the color of the blood. Light scattering in the skin, and the visual processing of color play roles as well.[17]

Skinks in the genus Prasinohaema have green blood due to a buildup of the waste product biliverdin.[18]

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:58 pm

i miss discovery health channel.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:03 pm

question: would it be accurate to postulate that zombie blood is red inside the zombie veins, and turns green when it oxidizes outside of the zombie's body? anyone concur?

also, in the case of a zombie attack, would it be safer to a) climb a tree or b) paddle out into the middle of a lake? please discuss. corsair and i have not reached an agreement on this matter.

bunny · Post by **bunny** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:08 pm

I'd like to interject that I think of a pissed off dirty martini whenever I glance at your name...

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:09 pm

madtolive wrote:question: would it be accurate to postulate that zombie blood is red inside the zombie veins, and turns green when it oxidizes outside of the zombie's body? anyone concur?

also, in the case of a zombie attack, would it be safer to a) climb a tree or b) paddle out into the middle of a lake? please discuss. corsair and i have not reached an agreement on this matter.

It depends on your type of zombie... I think the RAGE type zombies like those featured in the documentary 28 days later is actually RED because the blood is so ANGRY!!!

I think those zombies showcased in dawn of the dead, and similar documentaries are in fact green in and out for the rotting stage of their transformation. There is a large differnece between those two species of zombies.

And as for the safest place during a zombie outbreak, Military Base. I prefer a US Coast Guard base is you happen to live near the ocean. At the Coast Guard base you have weapons, tons of food and survival equipment, if you can get your way onto one of the bigger cutters, there will be a helicopter to transport to land for more gear and food should you need to stay out at sea for awhile while things cool down. You could also go to a Navy base... but those squids wont be as welcoming as the heros that are Coasties.

Just my $0.02

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:10 pm

as for my previous post... I would say B. But not in a little boat, on a military ship.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:18 pm

I'd like to interject that I think of a pissed off dirty martini whenever I glance at your name...

intiguing. please elaborate.

There is a large differnece between those two species of zombies.

so mickie, you posit that there are two distinct species of zombies? very interesting. in which case perhaps the dawn of the dead type are analogous to neanderthals, and the 28 days later kind are more akin to the cro-magnon? if the two zombie species meet, do you think they would co-mingle? or do you think they would fight to the death for superiority of their kind?

i like neanderthal. i wish we hadn't done them in.

but i digress. as for the safest place being with military types, i think i disagree. but i do think paddling out to the middle of the ocean with supplies is a wise choice. unless the zombies discovered the usefulness of scuba gear. or learned to sail. then you'd be in trouble.

BadBrains · Post by **BadBrains** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:25 pm

madtolive wrote:question: would it be accurate to postulate that zombie blood is red inside the zombie veins, and turns green when it oxidizes outside of the zombie's body? anyone concur?

also, in the case of a zombie attack, would it be safer to a) climb a tree or b) paddle out into the middle of a lake? please discuss. corsair and i have not reached an agreement on this matter.

I would have to go with option B on that one too. If it's a large enough lake you might be able to find some shoreline the zombies have yet to populate. You're a prime target in a tree and if the zombies are industrious and desperate enough, they'll pile on top of each other to get to the goods.

As far as military bases go, I would actually call up my survivalist friend. I think everybody has one or at least someone that considers themselves one. They would be my go to contact, because A) They LIVE for zombie attacks, B) They're as loyal as they come, and C) They are always over-prepared. With a military base I'd be worried about abuse of power and loss of chain-of-command. Basically, I'm just thinking about '28 Days Later'.

Instant thought: Could humans eat zombie flesh as a last resort for rations, or is the "craziness" in every part of the zombie and not just the saliva like I always suspected?

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:26 pm

I think the RAGE species of Zombie would annhiliate the neadrethals in a meet up... They would not get along.

and as far as scuba gear goes... even if they were hella smart, and did use scuba gear etc.... Ocean going military vessel + radar + depth charges = no problem .com

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:31 pm

Instant thought: Could humans eat zombie flesh as a last resort for rations, or is the "craziness" in every part of the zombie and not just the saliva like I always suspected?

Further, would it remain infectious (if indeed it was to begin with) if cooked? grilled, lightly buttered? or baked, like a meatloaf? and if we ate it, would we be considered cannibals?

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:35 pm

I think the RAGE species of Zombie would annhiliate the neadrethals in a meet up... They would not get along.

that makes me sad. oh the humanity of it, to annihilate those who are different instead of celebrating our diversity and living as one. if the two species of zombies got together and sang kumbayah and united against the humans, maybe they do deserve to dominate.

but once all the humans were eaten...would they starve?

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:35 pm

i think it is general procedure to burn dead zombie bodies... this makes me think that cooked zombie flesh would be acceptable to eat... well done of course... and about being cannibalistic? i dunno, if it were life and death, i wouldnt worry about it too much

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:41 pm

indeed, consume cooked zombie flesh, or starve? what would scooby do?

i think it would matter largely on what condiments were available. and the possibility of a nicely paired wine.

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:42 pm

madtolive wrote:
I think the RAGE species of Zombie would annhiliate the neadrethals in a meet up... They would not get along.
that makes me sad. oh the humanity of it, to annihilate those who are different instead of celebrating our diversity and living as one. if the two species of zombies got together and sang kumbayah and united against the humans, maybe they do deserve to dominate.

but once all the humans were eaten...would they starve?

Yes, they will starve. This was proven in 28 days later... 56 days after the infection was released the vast vast majority of the zombies were in very poor shape, laying on the ground under bridges barely breathing. That is a long time tho, and as shown by the update 28 weeks later, they can survive even longer, but I think on a long enough timeline... they be ded.

bunny · Post by **bunny** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:45 pm

'madtolive' glanced at quickly resembles MadOlive

ergo

pissed off dirty martini

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:49 pm

i wonder why they wouldn't just eat each other?

and personally, gentlemen, i fear all of our theories on the matter are being presumptuous, relying too heavily on fictional accounts such as the movies mentioned. i have an inkling that when the zombies come, it will be nothing like what hollywood has led us to expect. we have to start thinking outside of the box.

what could zombies be like that would throw us off?

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:50 pm

fictional accounts? i thought those were documentaries... like war diaries...

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:53 pm

bunny wrote:'madtolive' glanced at quickly resembles MadOlive

ergo

pissed off dirty martini

ahh. me gusta. "olive" makes me think of the little girl in little miss sunshine...

bunny · Post by **bunny** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:53 pm

Refer back to 'The Serpent and The Rainbow'

No resemblance to random flicks aforementioned.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:55 pm

MikieTaps wrote:fictional accounts? i thought those were documentaries... like war diaries...

i am skeptical of this. we're being misled.

robtaylor · Post by **robtaylor** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:59 pm

want to know how real zombies are made? read more about wade davis...

http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/ ... davis1.htm

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:02 pm

ok ok, i know they are movies

but i am glad we had this discussion, everyone laughs at us now, planning out the zombie apocolapse... who will be laughing when we have a plan and are out on the ocean surviving and happy, and they are running around not know what to do, and getting eaten!

Oh, What about the best zombie weapon? Shotgun? Assault rifle, grenade launcher, magnum pistol, rocket launcher etc... what would you grab?

I would go for the shottie... take off their heads single shot, able to carry lots of ammo, versitile for taking out locked door and obstacles also...

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:06 pm

bunny wrote:Refer back to 'The Serpent and The Rainbow'

No resemblance to random flicks aforementioned.

yesssssss, wade davis is AWESOME!!

http://discovermagazine.com/2008/apr/27 ... de%20davis

although, from what i understand, what we call "zombies" differs a great deal from the haitian definition of the term. instead of the outbreak of a virus, or some such genesis, the origination of haitian zombies lies in (for my own lack of a better term) "magic" and ritual.

bravo, bunny! (edit: and robonz)

wade davis is one of my heroes in anthropology...

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:08 pm

Oh, What about the best zombie weapon? Shotgun? Assault rifle, grenade launcher, magnum pistol, rocket launcher etc... what would you grab?

the syringe with the antidote! or, in lieu of, a fire shooter.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:09 pm

Hemoglobin is the principal determinant of the color of blood in vertebrates.

Hey! What about mammals? I'm a freakin' mammal, man!

but i digress. as for the safest place being with military types, i think i disagree. but i do think paddling out to the middle of the ocean with supplies is a wise choice. unless the zombies discovered the usefulness of scuba gear. or learned to sail. then you'd be in trouble.

Zombies don't breathe--hence no need for scuba gear! As for the question, the lake would be safer although not by much. You can't see a zombie coming up under the boat! Surprise is never fun--especially if it wants to eat you....

Cannibalism? Absolutely! They were people, after all--and, if we may return to the 28 days/weeks later example, they are apparently pumped up on mad adrenaline and way fast and strong!

I always wonder why no one ever dresses up in an armored suit in those movies--an armored suit, that's the ticket! Just the thing to keep the teeth away! And don't give me that "they'll take it off you" talk--they're not smart enough. That's why they want our brains--they don't have any!

They keep coming if you catch them on fire, madtolive, so I must go with a shotgun (mounted on my Buddy, of course).

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:31 pm

Zombies don't breathe

what a claim, pugbuddy! what makes you think this? interesting conjecture...

I always wonder why no one ever dresses up in an armored suit in those movies--an armored suit, that's the ticket! Just the thing to keep the teeth away! And don't give me that "they'll take it off you" talk--they're not smart enough. That's why they want our brains--they don't have any!

the smart thing to do, once they find they can't claw into your flesh, would be to spit through your seams, or squirt some of whatever makes them contagious into the suit. no meal, but they still win. you: 0, zombies: 1.

bunny · Post by **bunny** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:55 pm

so there's no hope?

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:58 pm

what a claim, pugbuddy! what makes you think this? interesting conjecture...

They're dead = no need to breathe!

The armor is, of course, just the first layer of protection. Avoiding the plague-infested stuff that they spew on you takes a little more (a plastic face shield should do the trick).

A better option than heavy armor would be riot gear, which you could still run at a good pace in and it would allow you to use a glass shield--and still take 'em out with the sawed-off shotgun! All this while still making you unbiteable!

TheeSadTransmissions · Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:03 pm

So during the all out fight of Rage Zombies vs Neanderthal Zombies what effect to Zombie bits have on the other class of zombie. Is a Rage zombie bitten by a Neanderthal then turned into another Neanderthal?

Also I think 28 Days later is a strong case against going to the military bases. I'm grabbing a machete, a bat with nails in it and boarding up the nearest safeway.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:10 pm

Boards didn't work well against the 28 days zombies. Claymores are handy though. Plant, run, set off when the zombies reach the area of effect (and you are at a distance). Nice to create distance between you and the onrushing ravenous hordes!

You almost have to go to the military bases to get the really good weapons!

On the other hand, you could just walk around with a daft look on your face like they did in "Shawn of the Dead"! That worked well! To the Pub!

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:11 pm

TheeSadTransmissions wrote:
Also I think 28 Days later is a strong case against going to the military bases. I'm grabbing a machete, a bat with nails in it and boarding up the nearest safeway.

i like the way you think, transmissions.

So during the all out fight of Rage Zombies vs Neanderthal Zombies what effect to Zombie bits have on the other class of zombie. Is a Rage zombie bitten by a Neanderthal then turned into another Neanderthal?

no, i don't think so. cro-magnon and neanderthal = DNA. i think if they fought they'd just kill each other. but i like to think they'd exists in a sort of comfortable brotherhood.

They're dead = no need to breathe!

if they were "dead", tho, they wouldn't need to eat! discuss!

A better option than heavy armor would be riot gear, which you could still run at a good pace in and it would allow you to use a glass shield--and still take 'em out with the sawed-off shotgun! All this while still making you unbiteable!

the bad thing about relying on munitions is...they run out!!

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:11 pm

If we're assuming Boyle Zombies rather than Romero Zombies then I think that Wal-Mart would be the way to go. Obviously if we're talking Romero Zombie then that's out, as Dawn of the Dead has shown us. But with Boyle Zombies the way to go would be the heaviest fortification with the most resources and fewest entrances to wait them out.

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:12 pm

the problem is the type of military base... I wouldnt go to an Army, Navy, definately not Chair Force, too many people would go there, and I doubt they would even let very many people in... then the wrong person would get in, it would be a mess. I would consider a smaller Marine Corps base, but I would 100% go to a Coast Guard base, for the reasons listed above. Also, I am in the Coast Guard Auxiliary, so I think I would be welcomed aboard / able to help out.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:13 pm

Boards didn't work well against the 28 days zombies. Claymores are handy though. Plant, run, set off when the zombies reach the area of effect (and you are at a distance). Nice to create distance between you and the onrushing ravenous hordes!

ah yes, like in "i am legend"! scary thing about those zombies is that they learned from what he did and were able to both lure and trap him. thats the scariest kind of zombie yet.

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:15 pm

madtolive wrote: ah yes, like in "i am legend"! scary thing about those zombies is that they learned from what he did and were able to both lure and trap him. thats the scariest kind of zombie yet.

But we're talking more Vampires there, and if we're opening the conversation up to vampires, then we might as well scrap the whole thing.

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:16 pm

I am legend is definately Zombie territory, not vampires...

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:17 pm

this is getting out of control, we are on our 2nd page allready! hahaha, I LOVE IT!!!

zombies totally need to breath... they arent dead, they are the undead, or in many cases chemically or genetically altered humans... very much alive

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:18 pm

Virus, fear of light, able to be cured... Seems to be closer to the Blade version of vampirism than any zombie previously seen.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:18 pm

MikieTaps wrote:I am legend is definately Zombie territory, not vampires...

i strongly concur! those were most definitely NOT vampires. they were zombies with an aversion to daylight, but zombies nonetheless!