hey madtolive!

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:20 pm

True, the original "Legend" story was about vampires, not zombies. There were smart ones and dumb ones as I recall. We should not consider them.

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:21 pm

Alright, wikipedia classifies them as both zombies and vampires, so I guess while I concede that they can enter the conversation, I stand firm on my vampire case.
Edit: Thank you Pugbuddy, was mainly going off of the book and the Omega Man rather than the Will Smith version.

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:22 pm

these are definately zombies, a cure for cancer that went haywire and ended up altering the genetics of the humans that it was meant to help, causing them to turn into flesh eating <--- zombie trait number 1, mostly mindless, undead-ish zombies

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:22 pm

vampires do not eat people... just suck their blood...

but i guess I can agree to disagree on this so we can get on with this serious debate!

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:24 pm

MikieTaps wrote:this is getting out of control, we are on our 2nd page allready! hahaha, I LOVE IT!!!

i think the fact that this thread has grown 2 pages in length speaks to the oft-unspoken of anxiety that the american populace feels in regards to zombies. i think our government should switch gears and take measures to fund anti-zombie research. because, as far as i can tell, zombies too are a threat to freedom. (

)

they arent dead, they are the undead, or in many cases chemically or genetically altered humans... very much alive

indeed! understanding the difference between the dead and undead is key to our victory!!

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:25 pm

MikieTaps wrote: but i guess I can agree to disagree on this so we can get on with this serious debate!

I second that motion, the I am Legend creature classification debate is hereby tabled for future discussion.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:26 pm

vampires do not eat people... just suck their blood...

the vampires from 30 days of night would say otherwise.

but that, sirs, is a digression.

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:28 pm

In order for this debate to retain it's dignity I think we have to agree on what genus of zombie we're talking about, Romero, Boyle, Craven, or other.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:30 pm

Piedmont wrote:
MikieTaps wrote: but i guess I can agree to disagree on this so we can get on with this serious debate!
I second that motion, the I am Legend creature classification debate is hereby tabled for future discussion.

that is the first post in this thread that finally cracked my facade of seriousness and caused me to laugh. you, piedmont, have endangered the austerity of this colloquium!

okay, facade is back up. continue!

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:31 pm

indeed! understanding the difference between the dead and undead is key to our victory!!

The living have swoopy bangs, right?

It's obvious the government will not help us in the clearly approaching Zombie Apocalypse of Doom Event (ZADE). It's time to convert the underground parking shelter into a never-say-die Zombit Attack Shelter! With a corner saved to park our assault-rifle-armed Escape-Buddys.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:31 pm

Piedmont wrote:In order for this debate to retain it's dignity I think we have to agree on what genus of zombie we're talking about, Romero, Boyle, Craven, or other.

it is this faulty reasoning that will lead to our downfall. we must be prepared for Zombies, whatever their form.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:34 pm

it is this faulty reasoning that will lead to our downfall. we must be prepared for Zombies, whatever their form.

True, the flexibility of our defenses will be key! We must be prepared for all....

Does weather affect zombies? Would they rot and die (more) faster in the heat? Maybe we should all be nearer to the equator? Hmmm....

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:34 pm

i feel that the only facts we can safely assume about zombies are as follows:

1) the feeding on human flesh is essential to their survival
2) the zombie condition is contagious
3) affected humans will not "die" but rather become "undead"

any variations outside of these basic characteristics we have to be prepared for. agreed?

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:36 pm

madtolive wrote: that is the first post in this thread that finally cracked my facade of seriousness and caused me to laugh. you, piedmont, have endangered the austerity of this colloquium!

okay, facade is back up. continue!

My coworkers are used to random outbursts of laughter from my cube.

it is this faulty reasoning that will lead to our downfall. we must be prepared for Zombies, whatever their form.

While in theory I agree, in practice we're likely to only get one type. And they all have ver different characteristics relavent to what type of shelter to take.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:37 pm

pugbuddy wrote:
Does weather affect zombies? Would they rot and die (more) faster in the heat? Maybe we should all be nearer to the equator? Hmmm....

quite the contrary! heat fosters the growth of bacteria, i venture that we'd be better off in much colder weather. cold weather will slow the circulation of their zombie blood...

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:40 pm

I second the cold weather theory...

i am leaving for chicago in about 30 minutes i am so sad to be missing the rest of this debate, i will try to check back this weekend!

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:40 pm

While in theory I agree, in practice we're likely to only get one type. And they all have ver different characteristics relavent to what type of shelter to take.

i didn't mean to imply that we would get all different kind sof zombies at one time (what a mean fate to befall man!), but merely that we cannot be led into false characterisations of zombies, that we have to be prepared for whatever characteristics they demonstrate. because, in truth, we will not know until they are among us....

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:41 pm

Thirding the cold theory. Depending on the season, Chicago might not be a bad place to move to...

bunny · Post by **bunny** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:41 pm

Land O' Cheese would be a better residential choice.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:42 pm

Piedmont wrote:Thirding the cold theory. Depending on the season, Chicago might not be a bad place to move to...

yes, and then we could easily relocate to canada is the virus has not struck there. which would be unlikely.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:43 pm

While in theory I agree, in practice we're likely to only get one type. And they all have ver different characteristics relavent to what type of shelter to take.

Very likely. But we may also be moving to a different locale for safety purposes, as the cold weather answer could indicate. With that possibility, we open up the door to different kinds of zombies in different areas!

Dang, if I wasn't at work, I could consult my S.A.P.S. Guide!

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:46 pm

but even chicago would be no help if they attack in, say, july. and i bet you they would, too. wily bastards are after me brains!!

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:49 pm

What about different shelters for different varieties? It would only be an issue if the attack lasted long enough for the suckers to speciate.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:57 pm

We'll need a universal shelter since there's no quick way to ID the zombie type. Get too close and you become one too easily!

Anyway, the shelter's really just a way to get them to think they have us trapped--we'll actually be loading up on the hardware and food and then Buddying out the back door! Gotta outthink 'em--they'll undoubtedly outnumber us!

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:07 pm

Anyway, the shelter's really just a way to get them to think they have us trapped--we'll actually be loading up on the hardware and food and then Buddying out the back door! Gotta outthink 'em--they'll undoubtedly outnumber us!

INDEED!!

i am leaving work now, but will meditate on how to best counter zombies while in my yoga class. lets regroup later and compare our individual findings.

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:09 pm

I've still gotta go with WallyWorld on this one. Guns, ammo, provisions, few entrances, any supplies one could need. The only issue is that if we're dealing with Romero Zombies they retain their consumer instinct, which has shifted from the mall to Wal-Mart since the 70's, and will therefore head towards Wal-Mart. But that shouldn't be too much of an issue if we're just going to meetup and scoot out the back.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:41 pm

While we're considering our options, perhaps a little test is in order....

http://www.gotoquiz.com/zombie_survival_test_6

robtaylor · Post by **robtaylor** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:48 pm

MikieTaps wrote:vampires do not eat people... just suck their blood...

but i guess I can agree to disagree on this so we can get on with this serious debate!

metaphorically they are very closely related, you could say that the vampire is a sort of zombie in my opinion. they are both the undead who must feed on human "flesh" in either brain or blood form. perhaps the "disease" that aflicts them both is passed by the blood, in many cases they are both bitten to spread the "disease" from one carrier to another

BadBrains · Post by **BadBrains** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:17 pm

pugbuddy wrote:While we're considering our options, perhaps a little test is in order....

http://www.gotoquiz.com/zombie_survival_test_6

While that test is very handy, I almost feel like the following scenario is more likely:

http://www.howmanyfiveyearoldscouldyoutakeinafight.com/

Apiarist · Post by **Apiarist** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:56 pm

a former co-worker was fascinated by the popularity of zombies within america's population. he commented his astonishment in the number of zombie movies in the local video rental store. he postulates that it has something to do with some kind of minor mind control conspiracy by either the owners of the means of production or the federal government, i can't remember which, they are so closely intertwined anyway these days.
i don't quite understand what the basis of his conflict with the popularity of zombies was all about, yet i am always mindful when the topic rears up.
so, what gives with the zombie fascination already?

Elm Creek Smith · Post by **Elm Creek Smith** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:17 am

I don't know anything about zombies, but Vulcans and Romulans have green blood, and Klingon blood is pink.

ECS

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:22 am

Good point cannonball accept that...

jmazza · Post by **jmazza** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:47 am

Apiarist wrote:a former co-worker was fascinated by the popularity of zombies within america's population. he commented his astonishment in the number of zombie movies in the local video rental store. he postulates that it has something to do with some kind of minor mind control conspiracy by either the owners of the means of production or the federal government, i can't remember which, they are so closely intertwined anyway these days.
i don't quite understand what the basis of his conflict with the popularity of zombies was all about, yet i am always mindful when the topic rears up.
so, what gives with the zombie fascination already?

So wait... then it's possible that the zombie fascination is the work of an even more awful, vile, and deadly being that WANTS us to believe that zombies are our worst nightmare?

It makes me shudder to even think about. Why oh WHY, Apiarist, would you bring this up?!?!

sotied · Post by **sotied** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:49 am

Now I can't sleep.

http://www.thingstoworryabout.com

I'm gonna have to put a zombie entry there tonight or tomorrow.

pugbuddy · Post by **pugbuddy** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:04 am

http://www.howmanyfiveyearoldscouldyoutakeinafight.com/

I can take 24 of the little uglies. What's that in zombie numbers?

Howardr · Post by **Howardr** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:48 am

If we accept the fact that vampirism and zombieism(sp?) are blood borne diseases which cause the infected person to crave human flesh/blood/brains etc, I don't see how we leave out "he whose name has not yet been spoken" .....the lycanthrope aka werewolf and his many werecousins. Althoug he is only out there at full moon, he is formidable and, I think, deserves consideration when considering a place of protection. I mean....how much REAL silver can be found in your average Wal-Mart?

Just a thought...

Howard

Apiarist · Post by **Apiarist** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:21 am

Jmazza wrote:

Why oh WHY, Apiarist, would you bring this up?!?!

sorry, please continue. it was mostly just a far out theory of this guy who swore we are all being turned into zombies so the wool could be very easily pulled over our eyes by the powers that we believe to be.

Post by **ericalm** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:27 am

How exactly did this thread grow to 3 pages?

babblefish · Post by **babblefish** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:00 am

Never mind that - what was this thread suppose to be about in the first place?

sargelee71 · Post by **sargelee71** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:58 am

Wow--y'all scare me.

Double Wow--I sat and read the entire thread.

Double Squared Wow--I'm amused.

MikieTaps · Post by **MikieTaps** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:40 am

Its all mine and madtolives fault, but I won't apologize and I don't think she will either, we are just trying to help prepare fellow buddy owners for the coming zombie apocolapse

sotied · Post by **sotied** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:00 pm

How do zombies actually locate you? Do they just bumble about until they come upon fresh meat?

I suggest two things if we're all to survive. More riding around on our scoots, and the fuel fragrances I posted elsewhere.

I just hope they come out with a 'blood' scent so I can lure the zombies away from populated areas and send them all over a cliff.

Would that work?

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:49 pm

jmazza wrote:
Apiarist wrote:a former co-worker was fascinated by the popularity of zombies within america's population. he commented his astonishment in the number of zombie movies in the local video rental store. he postulates that it has something to do with some kind of minor mind control conspiracy by either the owners of the means of production or the federal government, i can't remember which, they are so closely intertwined anyway these days.
i don't quite understand what the basis of his conflict with the popularity of zombies was all about, yet i am always mindful when the topic rears up.
so, what gives with the zombie fascination already?
So wait... then it's possible that the zombie fascination is the work of an even more awful, vile, and deadly being that WANTS us to believe that zombies are our worst nightmare?

It makes me shudder to even think about. Why oh WHY, Apiarist, would you bring this up?!?!

i think both of you are on the right track, but are missing the point:

it is my contention that owners of the means of production (who are in cahoots with the federal government) disseminate zombie movies to the american populace, not so much to frighten us, but to have us believe or expect certain things about what a zombie is, or what an attack will be like. it is a dissemination of MISINFORMATION. thats why we have to be prepared for anything, and not rely so heavily on what "hollywood" has led us to expect.

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:54 pm

I still say that Boyle-esque Zombies are the most likely scenario. With many bodily functions shutting down it stands to reason that lactic acid buildup in the muscles would be difficult, making it easy for them to run really fast for really long periods of time. Even on Budies we may not stand much of a chance. Once again I stand by my assertion that fortifying a WalMart offers the greatest chance for survival. After all if they can keep their night stockers locked in with their standard equipment, we should be able to keep some brain suckers locked out with some additional fortification.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:55 pm

MikieTaps wrote:Its all mine and madtolives fault, but I won't apologize and I don't think she will either, we are just trying to help prepare fellow buddy owners for the coming zombie apocolapse

no, i'm not sorry for what mikie and i have started.

you know, i'm starting to wonder if the "zombie attack" isn't a metaphor for the rise of the proletariat...the uprising that the previously mentioned owners of the means of production would do anything to avoid, including psychological conditioning to have us be afraid of the revolt, and rather than realize our oppression and join it, do all we can to help defeat it...

they've turned the proletariat into an undead abomination, dangerously contagious, for after all, in a capitalist society there is something very wrong with those who do not engage in consumerism. and these ideas spread....

"containment" - you guys get it...?

(i just finished re-reading "brave new world". got me thinking all sorts of crazy things. including, the ridiculousness of monogamy. but that's a different thread, or even forum, all together

)

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:59 pm

madtolive- Are you familiar with the reasoning Romero put into at least the first couple "Dead" movies?

bunny · Post by **bunny** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:06 pm

madtolive wrote:
MikieTaps wrote:they've turned the proletariat into an undead abomination, dangerously contagious, for after all, in a capitalist society there is something very wrong with those who do not engage in consumerism. and these ideas spread....

"containment" - you guys get it...?

(i just finished re-reading "brave new world". got me thinking all sorts of crazy things. including, the ridiculousness of monogamy. but that's a different thread, or even forum, all together )
Marx at his finest...I love that book. Must re-read it yet again.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:07 pm

no, i'm not. your question sounds ominous.

Piedmont · Post by **Piedmont** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:30 pm

It's just interesting that you bring up class and consumerism since that's what he was intentionally adressing in Dawn of the Dead. He intentionally dressed the zombies to represent all classes, and the fact that they descend on the mall was to indicate that consumer spending was so ingrained in their head that they would act on it even after death.

I think Night of the Living Dead speaks for itself a little more.

madtolive · Post by **madtolive** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:45 pm

interesting....

now i feel conflicted. destroy the zombies? or join them? oh, life is difficult...

but it is quite hard to cease being a consumer. bought a scooter? now get some gear and accessories. started yoga? now go get clothes and accessories. had a bad day? go buy yourself some new toys to make you feel better.

maybe i already am a zombie.

now, on my scommute home after work yesterday, i was thinking about this meeting up at walmart to load up then taking off into the night plan. and i thought about the importance of establishing a defensive formation. it would depend on the number of buddys in our pack, of course, but it'd definitely have to be a arrowhead, with protective positioning. we'd have to come up with rules of engagement, such as, if a zombie fells a buddy, how does the formation recover, and do we stop to help? i vote no. sorry you guys, but if you get taken out, you're pretty much a goner anyway, and we'd only endanger the group.

in terms of weaponry while riding i think we are considerably hindered in that the throttle is our right hand. i seriously doubt i could shoot a gun with my left hand. any suggestions?

Modern Buddy

hey madtolive!

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