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It's one of those.."I went and saw this scooter today that has been sitting most of its life in a garage, etc."...threads!

That does seem to be the fate of most scooters, doesn't it? Or so it seems.

This one was ridden off and on over a period of 3 years. More off than on.

This one (I won't say the brand YET because it would be sacrilege on the Modern Buddy forum!) is a fuel injected Honda model.

Original owner, kept in their garage, they had no clue ("do people really do that?" when I mentioned trickle charger in storage) as to how to store an unused scooter, and it had been ridden maybe twice in the last year.

When it was ridden it had just over 1,000 miles put on it. Very clean, very nice family, had literally JUST ridden it near the house because as I drove up I saw the seller stopping it and getting off.

I go to start it up and it is dead. No surprise there, though they seemed surprised. So I had to explain that even though it ran fine for a few, the last charge just died out. Now it very likely needs a totally new battery.

Thus began the inquiry-ever had oil change? "No". "No" to battery maintenance, check. No to any maintenance or service interval work.

It was as clean as a brand new showroom floor scoot and I want it very, very much.

They are going to get it made "right" with the local Honda dealer and get a new battery.

Took a small deposit dependent upon getting it "right".

The price is right, the scooter is the right choice for me (I had one in the past and foolishly let it go, long story), but the sitting worries me a bit.

It's a Honda. It's fuel-injected. It's clean. It seems only to need a new battery.

It sat with gas and oil in it in a climate controlled garage.

Ok, whaddayas think?

Am I courting disaster here or what?

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Which model, what year, how much $?

I love Hondas, but it's all about condition and price.
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O.K. I'll venture a guess. Honda Met.

Hey, it comes from a "nice family"! :rofl:

Go for it.
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Follow your 'gut' (or maybe your heart) on this one.
After a day or three in the 'scooter hospital' if it gets a clean bill of health I'd think you're good to go. :wink:

Caveat here; Remember, I consider myself a 'mechanical moron'
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charlie55 wrote:Which model, what year, how much $?

I love Hondas, but it's all about condition and price.
Ok, ok...Honda Elite 110...only one year, 2010...$1600.

:shock:
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KrispyKreme wrote:O.K. I'll venture a guess. Honda Met.

Hey, it comes from a "nice family"! :rofl:

Go for it.
Not a Met, but one day I am going to get my Met back! :cry: :roll:
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Whimscootie wrote:
charlie55 wrote:Which model, what year, how much $?

I love Hondas, but it's all about condition and price.
Ok, ok...Honda Elite 110...only one year, 2010...$1600.

:shock:

I would offer $1200 and I bet they take it. Maybe go up to 1400.

Sounds awesome. Didn't one just win the Cannonball????
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KrispyKreme wrote:
Whimscootie wrote:
charlie55 wrote:Which model, what year, how much $?

I love Hondas, but it's all about condition and price.
Ok, ok...Honda Elite 110...only one year, 2010...$1600.

:shock:

I would offer $1200 and I bet they take it. Maybe go up to 1400.

Sounds awesome. Didn't one just win the Cannonball????
I'm good with the price. KBB/NADA close. Scooter is mint in appearance and just barely on the verge of beginning to be broken in. I feel the owner "babied it" but did not have a clue about storage concerns.

I've watched 3 of these go for $2000+ (used) locally. One was at a dealership and was in very rough shape with 5K+ miles. Others high mileage. These don't last around here.

So I feel very lucky, though I am a bit wary of the "sitting" part.

Scoot has an awesome reputation. Too bad Honda did not keep it here outside of 2010.

:(

Oh, and mine is RED!!!

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Whimscootie wrote:
charlie55 wrote:Which model, what year, how much $?

I love Hondas, but it's all about condition and price.
Ok, ok...Honda Elite 110...only one year, 2010...$1600.

:shock:
OK.....

KBB for zip 45102 - Trade-in: $1085, Retail: $1665

NADA for zip 45102 - Low retail: $1390, High retail: $1830

I'd average the KBB trade-in (about the best the seller could expect to get from a dealer) and the NADA high retail (about the best the seller could expect to get from a private sale), and that'd be about $1475. Considering that the seller is willing to pay to get the scoot screwed, blued, and tattoo'd by a dealer, I don't think his asking price is unreasonable. Especially since the ills caused by lackluster maintenance shouldn't be very significant for a relatively new, low mileage Honda. It's not as if it sat for 20 years in a shed or was ridden 10,000 miles without an oil change.

Two things to consider on the "con" side:

- Being a "1 year wonder", parts availability might, repeat might get sketchy due to lack of demand even though Honda has a great track record of model support.

- The specs for this model call for a valve check/adjustment at the first service interval (600 miles). Chances are this was never done as it was never even brought in for an oil change.

So, all-in-all, if the dealer does the valve maintenance, I'd go the full asking price in light of the seller's accommodating nature. If the valve work isn't done, then offer $1450 - $1500 and explain the reason. However if you "just have to have it", then go the $1600 and be prepared to shell out for the valve stuff.

Just my opinion.....
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Well, I'm not gonna lie...I've had several Honda scoots and never did the suggested valve adjustment at 600 miles!

:shock:

The "Elite" is the "Lead" all over most of the rest of the world and is still being produced by Honda. Just not sold here in the USA as the "Elite".

Again, not really worried.

Thanks so much for all your comments!

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Keep an eye on the carb.. Sitting that long allows ethanol to do bad things to carbs. I have seen mu dealer/rider friend pull carbs that were caked from the ethanol and sitting. Have had the same problem with two of mine.
Otherwise sounds like a decent deal. :wink:
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Whimscootie wrote:
KrispyKreme wrote:O.K. I'll venture a guess. Honda Met.

Hey, it comes from a "nice family"! :rofl:

Go for it.
Not a Met, but one day I am going to get my Met back! :cry: :roll:
Me too, me too... I used to have a little red 2009 Met, traded it in for my Buddy... and while I do NOT regret getting the Buddy, I do regret getting rid of little Scooterlou...
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I rode my $340 Honda Elite CH150 to work today. That scooter was sold to me by a farmer's son in law. The farmer had it stored in his barn and when he passed, the son-in-law found it in the barn and sold it to me as is.

She started right up and I never had any problems with her. Oh yea, I had to take apart everything and clean out all the hay and mice droppings. A few minor bits and bobs, and she runs pretty good for being 29 year old.

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Wolfhound wrote:Keep an eye on the carb.. Sitting that long allows ethanol to do bad things to carbs. I have seen mu dealer/rider friend pull carbs that were caked from the ethanol and sitting. Have had the same problem with two of mine.
Otherwise sounds like a decent deal. :wink:
It's fuel injected. :)
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craftynerd wrote:
Whimscootie wrote:
KrispyKreme wrote:O.K. I'll venture a guess. Honda Met.

Hey, it comes from a "nice family"! :rofl:

Go for it.
Not a Met, but one day I am going to get my Met back! :cry: :roll:
Me too, me too... I used to have a little red 2009 Met, traded it in for my Buddy... and while I do NOT regret getting the Buddy, I do regret getting rid of little Scooterlou...
Another little Met as a "grocery getter" is on my radar. They are had "for cheap" on CL around here!
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RoaringTodd wrote:I rode my $340 Honda Elite CH150 to work today. That scooter was sold to me by a farmer's son in law. The farmer had it stored in his barn and when he passed, the son-in-law found it in the barn and sold it to me as is.

She started right up and I never had any problems with her. Oh yea, I had to take apart everything and clean out all the hay and mice droppings. A few minor bits and bobs, and she runs pretty good for being 29 year old.

Hondas.
It's a Honda is right!

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Whimscootie wrote:
RoaringTodd wrote:I rode my $340 Honda Elite CH150 to work today. That scooter was sold to me by a farmer's son in law. The farmer had it stored in his barn and when he passed, the son-in-law found it in the barn and sold it to me as is.

She started right up and I never had any problems with her. Oh yea, I had to take apart everything and clean out all the hay and mice droppings. A few minor bits and bobs, and she runs pretty good for being 29 year old.

Hondas.
It's a Honda is right!

8)
DaBinche chimed in over on Urban Scootin and suggests I drain and replace all the fluids, inspect the fuel tank for rust, and run some Seafoam through a few tanks.

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Indeed, it's a Honda (nowadays it seems like half the stuff on MB is :wink: ) AND it sounds like you're dealing with one of the "good guys", so go for it and enjoy.

Much better than those "1984 Whatzit, ran fine 28 years ago, original tires, probably just needs the carbs cleaned, lost title, $8500 firm" deals. :)
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I'm very uncomfortable with this 'small deposit' idea. It's your choice, your deal, but you've posted this on a public forum so here's an opinion: when it comes to buying things like scooters or motorcycles, I say buy it or don't. I would never take a 'small deposit' from a buyer and I would never pay a 'small deposit' to a seller. Buy it or don't.

FWIW I would trust any Honda product to be a good buy at a good price, I'm just saying 'small deposit' is not the way of the warrior.
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I just went through the same thing with a 2013 Buddy 170i with 6 miles. It went to the dealer, they drained the fuel, replaced the battery, checked the tires...For about $200 which I split with the seller.

I am glad I went for it. It seems you are already to buy it but need a bit of encouragement. I say go for it.

You could always resell it if you change your mind.
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May I ask a question, and feel free to not answer? You just got rid of a Buddy because you didn't ride it (IIRC). Do you think you'll ride this one?
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Syd wrote:May I ask a question, and feel free to not answer? You just got rid of a Buddy because you didn't ride it (IIRC). Do you think you'll ride this one?

Oh boy.....
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Syd wrote:May I ask a question, and feel free to not answer? You just got rid of a Buddy because you didn't ride it (IIRC). Do you think you'll ride this one?


I will put it like this: I've always had Honda scooters (plus my Yamaha C3) and they have run quietly and smoothly. A pleasant, comfortable, fun ride.

Those are the qualities I seek in a scooter.

And yes, I am a daily rider of scooters that I own. I ride for recreation and run errands on them. You could say I have a "scooting lifestyle" short of commuting on one. I hope to be able to do a little of this on the Honda.

"The best scooter is the one you will ride."

I was not riding the Buddy. I tried to like it, tried to adjust. It was not for me. I have been riding the 49cc Yamaha C3 exclusively for some time. It took me 5 months to finally sell the Buddy.

Why would anyone question the motive of a rider who is selling a scooter because they say they were not riding it or it did not suit their needs for whatever reason?

Why would a rider keep a scooter that they found they did not enjoy or want to ride?

They wouldn't and neither would you.

No offense, but I found your comment to be silly and uncalled for.

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pattio wrote:I'm very uncomfortable with this 'small deposit' idea. It's your choice, your deal, but you've posted this on a public forum so here's an opinion: when it comes to buying things like scooters or motorcycles, I say buy it or don't. I would never take a 'small deposit' from a buyer and I would never pay a 'small deposit' to a seller. Buy it or don't.

FWIW I would trust any Honda product to be a good buy at a good price, I'm just saying 'small deposit' is not the way of the warrior.
Last time I checked this was not a "war", it is "business".

I've taken a deposit as a CL and Ebay seller for vehicles or bicycles and I've put down a deposit with a seller.

It is done all the time as a way to "hold" the item for completion of the sale and to show good faith and good intention to complete the purchase.

In this case I offered the deposit and a contract was written up that the sale completion will be dependent upon the seller replacing the battery and the buyer (me) being satisfied that the scooter is "as advertised", which means "excellent running condition" or "like new".

Failure on the seller's part to rectify the problem and make the scooter comply with the description will void the sale and refund the deposit.

It's that simple and a very common practice.
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Those Buddys are a bit less refined. However, I love that. You like a smooth ride. That's cool...............
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Some one's not gettin' something they need....

:lol:

I'm going home now. Tired of this game...

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Honest, I'm not criticizing your choice, I was just trying to understand selling one larger-than-50cc scoot only to buy another. Sorry it sounded that way.
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No offense taken.

People buy, try, and sell scooters all the time.

I hope to minimize that practice myself in this case.

The Buddy's new owner loves it!

When I get the Honda I hope I keep it for a long, long time!

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Lead 110/Elite took top honors at the Scooter Cannonball this year. It's a stalwart little scoot.
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If a Buddy is not for you then a Buddy is not for you. That's why there are so many makes and models.

As far as the Honda...I would try to get the price down a few hundred and buy it. Then ride it and enjoy it. If it needs a battery stick one in then throw some seafoam in a few tanks to clean out the vascular system.

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ericalm wrote:Lead 110/Elite took top honors at the Scooter Cannonball this year. It's a stalwart little scoot.

And with your finish on the "barcalounger" that's 2 Hondas in the Top 5. :)

Buddys don't seem to fair well in that race. Air-cooling and the small gastank probably don't help. It just isn't made for long distances.
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Best of luck to OP on your deal. I trust it is agreed to by all parties and such, etc etc.

If I sound cranky about this, here's why: I smelled blood in the water. I don't go to somebody's house to 'look at' something they are offering for sale unless I have a truck, tie-downs, and their asking price in cash. That's my end of the contract as a 'buyer': I have the means to buy. If I'm in your driveway to look at the bike, I have a truck and your asking price in cash. Maybe I don't like the bike once I see it and don't want to buy it. Maybe I do.

The moment where you are in the seller's driveway with cash, and the bike does not start and has a dead battery and the seller admits that they have never done any scheduled maintenance ever, that is when the price moves in the buyer's direction. That is when you strike!

When people leave/take small deposits and go back to dealers and take extra steps… that's value slipping away and energy needlessly expended. Strike! Strike I say!

Which is not what everyone chooses to do. Best of luck with the transaction. I think its a good buy and, from one person's perspective, smelled blood in the water.
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Pattio, that sounds like a great plan of action. However, there is no need to be "cranky". As a seller, I might tell you to get off my lawn.
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Well of course you have to be nice and polite during the transaction, but this is the locker room where strategies can be discussed.

As long as OP gets what she wanted at a price that works for her, thats all that will ultimately matter. I almost feel sorry for the seller now- he's going back to the dealer, to spend more money, effort, and time, just to be able to sell for what he originally thought he was getting. In that sense, if it works out, maybe OP is ultimately more ruthless than I gave her credit for.
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pattio wrote:Well of course you have to be nice and polite during the transaction, but this is the locker room where strategies can be discussed.

As long as OP gets what she wanted at a price that works for her, thats all that will ultimately matter. I almost feel sorry for the seller now- he's going back to the dealer, to spend more money, effort, and time, just to be able to sell for what he originally thought he was getting. In that sense, if it works out, maybe OP is ultimately more ruthless than I gave her credit for.
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Whimscootie wrote:
pattio wrote:Well of course you have to be nice and polite during the transaction, but this is the locker room where strategies can be discussed.

As long as OP gets what she wanted at a price that works for her, thats all that will ultimately matter. I almost feel sorry for the seller now- he's going back to the dealer, to spend more money, effort, and time, just to be able to sell for what he originally thought he was getting. In that sense, if it works out, maybe OP is ultimately more ruthless than I gave her credit for.
:roll: :shock: :P

You should have kept the OP. :) I liked it better.
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KrispyKreme wrote:
Whimscootie wrote:
pattio wrote:Well of course you have to be nice and polite during the transaction, but this is the locker room where strategies can be discussed.

As long as OP gets what she wanted at a price that works for her, thats all that will ultimately matter. I almost feel sorry for the seller now- he's going back to the dealer, to spend more money, effort, and time, just to be able to sell for what he originally thought he was getting. In that sense, if it works out, maybe OP is ultimately more ruthless than I gave her credit for.
:roll: :shock: :P

You should have kept the OP. :) I liked it better.
Yeah, I liked it too! Trying to put this baby to bed in a pleasant manner...

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